troutsbane
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ColoursAfter reading Blackbacks excellent question and the great responses you guys posted I feel brave enough to ask this. Last year I met a man who as well as being a first class tyer is also an artist. He insisted that full shades of colours were far more superior to blended colours. By blended colours he ment two visible colours blended together usually what you get in synthetic dubbing. Take golden olive and ballinderry black which have two very distinct colours blended in them, they are supposed to look like it says on the tin under water and from a distance but the majority of trout take it from half an inch away. Rod Tye from Ballinrobe also believes this theory and he has over 70 different shades which I think are fantastic but then he is an artist too. It could be reading to much into it but on the other hand it makes sense. This is like being at a shrinks  but this question bugs the hell out of me. Is there any difference? There has to be because they are a world apart but has anybody any first hand experience????? Whats your views????
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FIREY BROWN
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Colourshmmmmmm have you been at the same bottle as blackback mate
what a question,,,,i see what you`re saying regarding Shades of colours
although its something that i`ve never given much thought until you
brought it to my attention a few weeks back..i understand also that you
are saying it could be much better to have different shades of a particular
colour as opposed to trying to make a shade by blending different
colours together to achieve that shade,,,im not so sure i understand what
you mean about the trout 
are you saying its possible a trout would
be more inclined to take a proper SHADE of lets say Golden Olive rather
than take a fly with Golden Olive where that colour had been blended with
a mixture of other colours
Regards
FIREY BROWN
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fossil-fish
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I will have to admit to a very inexpert opinion, but my gut feeling is that a blend of different colours, to produce the correct shade, would look more natural and more like a living creature. I think the 'alive' factor comes from the inter action of light with the materials and my feeling is that a blend would enhance this effect.
Hell of a question, would really like to see how an expert/proffesional tyer would answer it.
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troutsbane
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Re: Colours | FIREY BROWN wrote: | hmmmmmm have you been at the same bottle as blackback mate
what a question,,,,i see what you`re saying regarding Shades of colours
although its something that i`ve never given much thought until you
brought it to my attention a few weeks back..i understand also that you
are saying it could be much better to have different shades of a particular
colour as opposed to trying to make a shade by blending different
colours together to achieve that shade,,,im not so sure i understand what
you mean about the trout
are you saying its possible a trout would
be more inclined to take a proper SHADE of lets say Golden Olive rather
than take a fly with Golden Olive where that colour had been blended with
a mixture of other colours
Regards
FIREY BROWN |
What I mean about the trout is you usually have to hold a blended shade at arms length to see the shade its supposed to achieve but if you then bring it say to within an inch of your face the difference is miles apart  we will never know what the trout actually sees but I find it hard to believe the trout dont see any difference. The reason I asked the question is with the difference between the materials nowadays as compared to yesteryears we should be catching a hell of alot more!!!! But I am begining to become sceptical of these new materials not everything can be approved on and the guys selling these new materials, well they are not doing it for the good of their health  I think we are taking one step foreward and one step back.
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fossil-fish
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Troutsbane,
There is probably an awful lot of truth in what you say, but on the other hand modern technologies have given us materials whose properties could never have been imagined in the past. Flourescent, pearlescant, reflective, mettalic, etc, etc. These properties could never have been incorperated into dressings of the past or even imagined. Tinsel that is made of plastic and will never tarnish being one example. Some of the modern blended mateials contain elements of these type of materials.
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troutsbane
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| fossil-fish wrote: | Troutsbane,
There is probably an awful lot of truth in what you say, but on the other hand modern technologies have given us materials whose properties could never have been imagined in the past. Flourescent, pearlescant, reflective, mettalic, etc, etc. These properties could never have been incorperated into dressings of the past or even imagined. Tinsel that is made of plastic and will never tarnish being one example. Some of the modern blended mateials contain elements of these type of materials. |
I wholly agree with you fossil fish, but with the amount of shades being made commercially and the demand for the stuff we are beginning to turn our backs on the old reliable ways and patterns, for example I have 4 chinese cock capes all golden olive but there is no 2 of them the same Who decides what shade a shade actually is???? Sorry if i am comming across as elitest, but once this season is over hopefully I will be nearer an answer, is a blended synthetic shade better than a full shade of seals fur??? I have a funny feeling its not but I could be wrong maybe its being to picky about the thing, as you can tell I have no friends 
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adriany
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Trout you got many friends here mate so dont worry. I'm dossed with the cold at the minute so this post is way over my head at the minute lol i'l try and reply when i wise up a bit.
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troutsbane
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| adriany wrote: | | Trout you got many friends here mate so dont worry. I'm dossed with the cold at the minute so this post is way over my head at the minute lol i'l try and reply when i wise up a bit. |
Cheers tell you what you need a couple of hot whiskeys or even the clear stuff and sweat it out of you.
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fossil-fish
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Troutsbane,
Elitist? Certainly not.
Picky? Probably, but then it is worth getting right. If one of your various shades works better then that is the one to use. Why go for the second best. If you are sure you are using what is right then your confidence in your patterns will be increased. Confidence is an important factor in any aspect of fishing.
Unfortunatley, personally speaking, your questions go far beyond the range of my very limited knowledge of fly tying, but some one else will know more. I am quite sure of that, as I am quite sure that there is a definitive answer to this question.
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troutsbane
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| fossil-fish wrote: | Troutsbane,
Elitist? Certainly not.
Picky? Probably, but then it is worth getting right. If one of your various shades works better then that is the one to use. Why go for the second best. If you are sure you are using what is right then your confidence in your patterns will be increased. Confidence is an important factor in any aspect of fishing.
Unfortunatley, personally speaking, your questions go far beyond the range of my very limited knowledge of fly tying, but some one else will know more. I am quite sure of that, as I am quite sure that there is a definitive answer to this question. |
Thanks Fossil-fish, but you have summed it up, next to the actual hook confidence is as important to the feathers rapping it, I'm afraid its just one of them quesrtions
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